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Markie's avatar

Ok, so at the risk of hate, old white boomer male here...

Moderation is fine, but a couple points to consider. If Iran turns into a big or long term war, Trump will have no second thoughts of activating the draft. I was in high school when we were still drafting for Viet Nam. Every kid was shitting bricks because we were losing hundrerds of our older brothers every week. To the guy who replied "maybe I should go off to college", what makes him think crazy Trump is gonna allow college derfments this time? Don't bet on it. But you can bet that Baron won't be drafted. Fortunately for me the draft ended my senior year.

My parents were the Gen Z of their times in WWII. Boys from 18 -30 were expected to go fight and were drafted. Quite a few from 15-17 snuck in with fake IDs and forging a parents' signature. 450k of them died. What about the girls? There was no "soft girl" trad bullshit for those war years. Most girls 16+ worked in the factories building ships, planes, ammo, and sewing uniforms. My mom was one of them.

And for your followers who said we should be more isolationist...pro tip: it don't work. In the 1930's, there was a movement called "America First". Sound familiar? As Hitler was amassing power, a lot of people in the US were just fine ignoring what was starting to happen to the jews, dissenters, lgbt, intellectuals etc in Germany. When Hitler invaded Poland, Czechloslovakia and France, the Nazis started rounding up the same "undersireables" in those countries to what ICE now calls "detention centers". We stayed isolationist until Japan bombed us. Especially now in a global economy, isolationism doesn't work.

Look, I totally love your generation. You guys are so f-ing smart and resilient. But ffs, study and learn from our recent history. And get involved!

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Some of the "it sounds necessary" folks sound like me when I was that age, and the war being sold to us then was George H Bush's venture into Iraq. I have since come to learn that those in power lie to us, blatantly, about why they want war. They never tell us the real reasons, which usually involve money and power rather than the noble causes they spout or the threats they conjure. It's also scary how foreign policy has become so much about "preemptive attack," claiming that we can attack anyone first if we perceive them as a threat, without reckoning with how that logic could be used against us.

I was a centrist/moderate at 20, but in the decades since, I have run farther and farther to the left, become more and more anti-war as our military ventures have played out in disaster over and over again. The newest wars will be no different. And it's awful how we never seem to have money to feed people or provide healthcare, but there's always money to bomb people.

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